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With seventy year olds possibly being self isolated shortly what are the chances of
the event being cancelled ?
Hancock confirmed the government was planning shortly to tell the over-70s that they will need to self-isolate at home for up to four months to protect themselves from the disease.
He said older people would be “shielded for their own protection” and that the plan would be announced, with further details, when the time was right.
I just love this "shielded for their own protection" phrase ... Right now that's 12% of The Challenged.
But ... here in Scotland we have a different take. (Source: The Guardian 12:13 15/03/2020)
This 'elderly person' (ugh) is sustaining herself by looking forward to self-isolating in the Scottish great outdoors in May - but, being a veggie, I will not be wearing my emergency rations on my feet!
I realise that the Highlands are probably one of the most isolated places to be.
However alot of challengers will be using public transport in both directions
not to mention the socialising and interactions at certain centres along the way
that goes with these events. The figures will have climbed by the time of the start
and I'm thinking it might be foolhardy.
I think Annie has hit the nail on the head. Self isolation for two weeks is definitely the answer I would go for.
Getting to the start could be problematic but needs must.
Speaking to a daughter I said I had a stokepile of two bottles of whisky,one was a good one that she had got me for Christmas and the other was a mundane make, which should I use next?
The answer was not encouraging as the good one was the suggested option. Do I have a future.
We may all be doomed but hopefully not for a while.
Keep soldiering on.
See some of you in May hopefully.
Coronavirus is expected to peak in May, or flatten off and bounce along for some time. So it would seem that at the time of the Challenge the epidemic is likely to be bubbling away nicely.
The romantic view of the healthy isolation of the Great Outdoors has to be weighed against the reality that on a challenge , challengers do interact with others who include other challengers and local people. I have no idea what the penetration rate, of Coronovirus is into the Highlands but would not like, the Challenge to be part of a future research project showing the path of infection passing from west to east.
If we follow the rout of Spain and Italy transport is likely to be curtailed stopped. At the least Challengers from overseas may not be able to fly because of restrictions imposed by the UK:disappointed_relieved: :disappointed_relieved: or by restrictions from their own country
A further issue, Challengers themselves may develop symptoms and thus be put at risk and put others at risk if they have to be recovered.
I have a good route planned, this is a totaly unbiased assesment but next year is another year.
I am sure we have at some point, on a well planned route, made a decision to change are plans for saftey or whatever reason. A difficult decision but sometimes they have to be taken on the facts available to us at the time
I would like Challengers to note that the post above by "Peter" is not by the same Peter who is a Challenge Vetter.
It's okay Peter, That Peter, the Vetter, is known by another name 😉😁
Worth considering / worrying about what would happen if a Challenger were to develop symptoms of the virus whilst solo and in the wilds.
I stopped using Mr.Grumpy as nick names are discouraged on the forum. Maybe I'll go back to it as I am old enough not to take much notice of censure by the young whipper-snappers who now inhabit the forum!
There used to be an old fashioned sweet the name of which described my attitude but memory fades in my dotage.
And happy isolation to you all.
Peter (aka Mr. Grumpy; the second one not the original who some of the very oldest Challengers may remember with fondness)
You're not grumpy....and never have been!
Since 60% alcohol is effective against the virus I'm stocking up on cask strength whisky - and chocolate - in case I have to self isolate!
More seriously, I think the odds are on the Challenge being cancelled, so I'm trying to keep cheerful by planning a few lone camping circuits from the car.
The danger is even greater for those of us who come from across the pond, or as in my case, a small rock in the pond.
If I were to catch the virus while in the UK what would I do? It is unlikely that any B&B would want me. My family in Kent are +70 so that would not be an option.
The only option would be to get 2 weeks of supplies and camp out somewhere in the hills with a good supply water. And a good book.
I have not written off the event yet and hope that it will still be possible to hold it. If not, I have a route ready and approved if I am selected for 2021!
The virus has not been confirmed as yet but it is expected to arrive any day. The government is doing the best it can to contain it. We have testing facilities and tests are being carried out on suspected cases but so far all have proved negative.
Take care and stay safe
Just think about the following scenario:
1. An infected but symptomless Challenger gets on the train in Glasgow to Mallaig.
2. He/she infects some number of people (it doesn't matter how many)
3. Over the next two weeks, those infected infect others
4. Challengers start having respiratory problems in various remote places during the two weeks of the Challenge and need emergency evacuation.
5. They pass the virus on the the MR teams and helicopter crew that rescue them.
You may think it unlikely but it is not impossible. If it happened it would be a PR disaster for the TGO Magazine.
It is my opinion that it is completely unrealistic to think that the event is sustainable this year and that it is irresponsible for people to participate (unless of course they have had and have recovered from COVID-19).
Yesterday, TGO Magazine issued A Hiker's Guide to the Coronavirus Outbreak. A very informative piece it is too, with the nugget that "camping – particularly wild camping – is probably the best way to go". But not a single reference to the Challenge itself!
My guess is that the Challenge organisers are holding off a bit to see how things go. After all the situation in May will be very different than now. The general fear would though be that things will be worse. As mentioned above: transport to the Highlands - I'm coming up on the sleeper - might be curtailed or inadvisable; if Challengers introduced the virus to small Highland communities, the Challenge might not be so welcome in future years; and developing symptoms while a couple of days' walk from any settlement would be nightmarish for both the sufferer and those called on to aid them.
At the moment, I'm still coming. Indeed, ten days of food supplies arrived at my door today. But I'm glad it's all well dated.
Also not Peter the vetter btw.
I agree with your concerns Ian!
Down south here I am battling with the bravado of older volunteers who are lying about their age because they want to continue to run support groups with vulnerable people against what I regard as common sense and government advice.
And contrast that with the tweets (twitter) of medics in Italy who are beside themselves as they watch people come to their modern hospital and just wait there to die because there is not enough equipment to help them.
I am hoping we can carry over our TGO ticket until next year!