​​​​​​​

MESSAGE BOARD

THE CHALLENGE COMMUNITY, ON-LINE!

FRIENDLY ASSISTANCE AND ENCOURAGEMENT AVAILABLE FOR CHALLENGERS OLD AND NEW,

FROM FRIENDLY AND ENCOURAGING CHALLENGERS, NEW AND OLD

PLEASE USE YOUR OWN NAME WHEN POSTING. THANK YOU!

Download route sheets, admin forms, event documents here

Any queries? Email the coordinators  Sue, Ali & Mick at tgochallenge@gmail.com 

The TGO Challenge Message Board
Start a New Topic 
Author
Comment
View Entire Thread
Re: Access difficulties at Ledgowan Estate: A route suggestion

John.

They might of course still be in their Lodge, taking pot-shots at black throated divers on Loch Gowan

LINK

Some people really are evil.

Re: Access difficulties at Ledgowan Estate: A route suggestion

Alan,
It looks like the loch is outwith the estate boundary, and is alongside the road. The killing took place in the Spring, which might suggest a local rather than the over-excitable Continental hunter we usually try to pin this on.

Re: Access difficulties at Ledgowan Estate: A route suggestion

You may well be right JD, but the Simpsons do own half of the western end of the loch, and that's bang outside the lodge.

Black throated divers eat fish. I hear the estate is famous for its Arctic Char. Like on many of these sporting estates, I would imagine competition for the catch will be exterminated.

The bird was shot with a rifle. I would imagine Simpson Junior would have heard that going off, and if it wasn't one of his paying guests he would more than likely have been up for a barney with the perpetrator, based on the story on Andy Wightman's page.

Anyway!

Let's hope these bar stewards are made an example of, the police pay them a visit, they lose their gun licences and legal access settles down again.

We can hope!

Re: Access difficulties at Ledgowan Estate: A route suggestion

john donohoe wrote :

"I haven't sent the co-ordinator his Ardbeg yet because: He never calls, he never writes".

You'll have to ping, whatsapp, tweet or book yer face nowadays John
.

Theo

Re: Access difficulties at Ledgowan Estate: A route suggestion

Theo, you'll be telling me next that goose quills and vellum are so last month. These funny words you use-sounds like Double Dutch!

Re: Access difficulties at Ledgowan Estate: A route suggestion

john donohoe
These funny words you use-sounds like Double Dutch!


It's the Tallisker I didn't send to the co-ordinator

Theo

Re: Access difficulties at Ledgowan Estate: A route suggestion

Just a reminder to any Challengers living up in the north of Scotland, that there's a mass walk organised for St Andrew's Day on Ledgowan Estate. It would be good to get as many as possible to go along.

This article in the West Highland Free Press writes well on it:

LINK

Thank you.

Re: Access difficulties at Ledgowan Estate: A route suggestion

The latest news from Ledgowan Estate is that the owner has distributed an access policy to residents of Achnasheen. According to a report in the West Highland Free Press from 27 December 2013,

“The access policy states that all walkers met on Ledgowan will be asked for contact details, adding: ‘If this is not forthcoming or staff consider there is any reason for doubt they will take a photograph of the individuals and or their vehicle.’

LINK TO WEST HIGHLAND FREE PRESS ARTICLE

ANDY WIGHTMAN'S BLOG

It looks to me that they're deliberately spoiling for trouble.






Re: Access difficulties at Ledgowan Estate: A route suggestion

Well, I don't mind giving my details, as long as the people asking for them identifies themselves, their manager, the owner of the estate or company if they are employees or contractors, and the reason for requesting said details. Presumably they won't mind being photographed and or filmed; useful evidence in a complaint to the gendarmerie and the Highland Council.

Re: Access difficulties at Ledgowan Estate: A route suggestion

It strikes me that the problem lies in giving enforcement authority to Local Authorities. They are notoriously lax in enforcing various bits of legislation within their area of responsibility, e.g litter, access, and one reason for this is that it costs money. Most landowners have the means to hire legal professionals and will defend vigorously, thus making it expensive and time-consuming. Perhaps some other enforcing authority with greater legal specialism and a deeper pocket should be designated.

Re: Access difficulties at Ledgowan Estate: A route suggestion........BUT...

..... BUT... "We" too have a responsibility when out in the great outdoors of Scotland. On Wednesday afternoon I was ascending from Enochdhu to An Lairig and just above the farm near Dirnanean when I encountered a fellow "hillman" descending the track. We exchanged pleasantries but a few seconds later I heard the noise of some beastie in very severe distress. Out of the vegetation came a hen being frantically pursued by two red setter type dogs. Backwards and forwards across the track they chased the poor bird until they eventually caught up with it against a **** and clearly from the appalling noise it made it was being severely mauled. The dogs' owner must have clearly heard the noise and pitifully and whimpishly simply called out their names, without any apparant sign of horror or concern or remorse. I raced over to the **** to seperate the animals but by the time I got there the hen had managed to escape and managed to crash through a five bar gate to safety, probably injuring itself even further. The dogs owner did not appear to be overly embarrassed and carried on, still having leads in his hand when I last saw him.

No wonder landowners and farmers occasionally get upset by the actions of a very small number from our side, likewise the small number of incidents against us, given the vast number of estates in Scotland must be taken in context..

In the 42 years I have been hillwalking in Scotalnd I have only ever had two incidents of landowner abuse- firstly in 1974 when attempting to do the Hill of Fare, north of Banchory when I got a rifle pointed at me by a pretty determined keeper fairly intent on making sure I did not do the hill that day. On the second in 1978 when attempting to check the residential status of the occupants of Glen Tromie Lodge on the Gaick ROW track(which at that time passed hard up agaist the lodge windows), before approaching it. I was treated to a display of seriously none-welcoming language and told to get off their f.....g land by some minion peasant estate worker at the nearby cottage. This I did but perhaps I should have stood my ground.

Since then I have had absolutely nothing but cooperation, help and kindness, everywhere, from keepers and landowners and in the words of the late Mr. Accie Dempster who was head keeper at Feshie Estate for many years, who when out of courtesy, I always rang during the stalking season to come through Feshie would simply say "there is enough hill for all of us"- he never gave a yes and he never gave a no- a truly great response from a great man and a sentiment I think that we should all bear in mind.

ps I never thought a poor bl..dy chicken could make such a dreadful, horrendous noise!

cj

Re: Access difficulties at Ledgowan Estate: A route suggestion........BUT...

The story at Ledgowan Estate gets nastier and nastier by the day:

More from Andy Wightman:

LINK