Hi Ann. I`m glad you joined it because it seems to be me against the world as usual and you are in the best position to answer.....First of all we must all remember that phil simple wanted to know where the Green was.
Do us all a favour Ann and log on to .`oldmaps.co.uk..and enter YOUR postcode. a map of your area will appear and it will show a field right behind your house with an entrance to it right opposite your back gate and the name Town Green on that field. then go outside and you will see that same entrance(now leading to a house) just before Jimmy Duckworth`s house...That was the very beginning of town Green...And if nobody still beleives me ....I will emigrate,,, so there...

Town: Stubshie

good morning ray i did as you suggested had a look at the mapand i see where your coming from but if you look across from the front of our house you will see all the fields but freddy saw on the old tide map dated 1835 which was in ashton libary and our house was the only thing on it our house was one of lord gererd farm cotteges and our deeds start in 1734 we know its older than this because lord gererd only needed deeds if he sold them which he did to mr rosbottom and the same family lived here till 1985 i also think we should set up an history group anyone else interested ann

Town: ashton in makerfield

Ann.You are absolutely right in saying that your old cottage was the first and for a long time the only building in `Town Green but did your map of 1835 not also show the location of the Green ?
Its a pity it wasn`t known as the Village Green then all you `Town Greeners`would never have adopted that name but there would still have been a `Green` exactly where I said it was.

Town: Stubshie

Town green must have stretched as far north as Rose Cottages on Bolton Rd. I have seen families listed on census' as Town Green , then in a later census listed more accurately as Rose Cottages (near Jamesons shop, built 1880).

I am sure I have read somewhere about a watchtower at TootHill. I will try to find out where.

However, here is a map showing Toot Hill.

http://www.wiganarchsoc.co.uk/content/history/Toot_Hill.htm

Andrede

Town: Stubshaw Cross

Hi Andrede -

Thanks for that link to Wigan Archeological Society. Their website states that Toot Hill may possibly be prehistoric - I presume that means a barrow or such. Sadly we'll never know now - it looks like it lies under the South Lancs Industrial Estate or the Three Sisters.

- David -

Hi Andrede -

According to the site http://www.indigogroup.co.uk/edge/Toothill.htm
then toot hills could be artificial mounds, and used as lookout points. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

- David -

My grandmother (we called her 'Mother', maybe a Corless thing) used to refer to things as "downt Gillacre".
She was born in 1898 and was a mine of information. Sadly died in 1995.

Andrede

Town: Stubshaw Cross

Hi in reply to your gillacer ****** it was called this because old farmer pimblett was to tight to pay his workers in money so he paid them with a gill of ale and as most of the workers live there the name stuck this is true because the tight old sod was my husband great great grandfather ann

Town: ashton in makerfield

Hi Ray

Do you mean www.old-maps.co.uk?

I think the area marked as Town Green is a general area not just a field. Note that Town Green factory is in the area. Also like I said in a previous post that Rose Cottages was in the area called Town Green.
Maybe we should set up an Ashton History group?

Regards

Andrede

Town: Stubshaw Cross

Thanks for the info everyone (and there's no need for feightin...)
Personally I am not convinced by any of the maps referred to that the 'Town Green' they show is anything other than a name for a general area or district. Perhaps the History Shop will have a larger-scale old map showing actual fields etc.

Hi Ann

Would I be right in saying that Cottoms shop was the late Jamesons/co-op?

I am not convinced by the map. Looks like it denotes a general area. Do you have any solid proof Ray?

Not sayin I dont believe you but I just like to know for sure. You know what Im like with facts :)

My mother used to refer to Golborne Rd as 'Merica Lane' or 'America Lane'. Any one heard of this before?

Andrede

Town: Ashton

Andrede. 99% of history is someone elses version of how it was to them or how it was passed down to them.
A bit like Chinese whispers if you like. Solid proof is extremely hard to get as you know but hopefully Ann will come back and at least confirm what I saw on the 1849 map. However I have a copy of a bond of covenant relating to a certain piece of land made between Lord Gerard and John Launder and signed and sealed on 20th. June 1634.
Now that`s what I call solid proof..

Town: Stubshie

For ages I have thought that Smithy Brow was in between Town Green and Stubshaw Cross , I think I have been digging in the wrong place.

The 1841 census states:
" All that part of Ashton comprising Smithy Brow,all the Town Green Gillacre, Wallaces Nook and part of Long Lane as far as the town division extends."

I think I have been coming from the wrong end of Bolton Rd. DOH !

Perhaps Smithy Brow was the part of Bolton Rd near the presidential before Town Green.

Andrede

Town: Ashton

I think you will find that 100% of history actually happened. If I have no evidence then I dont believe. I know this maybe frustrates you Ray and others but thats the only way I can work. What frustrates me is supposition and lack of factual evidence. MAKE me believe you Ray.

Your friend

Andrede

Town: Ashton

The address for old maps is www.old-maps.co.uk
Type in a post code for the area, click on Address then search e.g. type in WN4 8TJ. Click through the post codes and house numbers until you get an address for the area then click View Map. Once you find the map there are some good control boxes at the bottom, the Enlarged View button is especially useful.

Vic

Your 95% correct Vic but WN4 8TJ is MY postcode and you won`t find ¬Town Green` behind my house;; You will have to move the centering to Ann`s house on Bryn Rd. South.

Town: Stubshie

Hello Ray,

Apologies for using your postcode, I used it as an example from your earlier posting and hoped that interested parties would use the navigation keys to search the map.

Best regards
Vic

Town: Bryn

Why are the posts not coming on in chronological order?

Andrede

Town: Ashton

I presume it depends on whether someone is responding to the original question, or whether they are responding to a response. The sequence is shown in threaded style, but is not chronological in board style.

Occasionally the system has glitches as well. Sometimes a message doesn't appear for a day or two. Fortunately that only happens infrequently.