Hi Ian,
I think there is sometimes a problem with this site when replying, depending on how you view the forum.

Do you have thread or board view?

Anyway my comments were 50% to the powers that be and 50% through frustration.

Alan

Town: ajames46@fsmail.net

There did seem to be a problem with the message you entered on June 22nd at 03.56. I normally receive a copy of any entry on the board, but in this case it didn't turn up for over 24 hours. It was displaying OK in threaded style when I quoted from it, but was missing in board style for a couple of days. It seems to be in its right place now.

- David -

Hi All
Why do I keep thinking of Paul Daniels in relation to the extension of the South Lancs Industrial Estate? There seems to be some slight of hand.
The justification is that it was laid out and approved in The Unitary Development Plan. They like to imply that it was widely publised.
When in reality few of the people who will be affected by this extension were aware of the existance of the plan.
Does that mean our ignorance is going to allow this to blight on our lives?
The only valid objection in the plan is excessive new traffic in Ashton Town centre. So residents of Golborne, Bolton, Bryn,Bryn Road South, Wigan, Liverpool and Warrington, Roads are of no importance.
What do you think, was the unitary development plan both flawed and undemocratic?
This came to mind as i typed my objection to this plan.

Alan

Town: ajames46@fsmail.net

I think there are more valid points here , but whether the " powers that be " will consider them is a different matter.

Traffic is a major point, pollution, building over green land, wildlife, noise pollution etc

I think a major point is that the people just dont want it . We are surrounded by Industrial estates.

The proposed Ind Estate will be 0.2 miles from the lake at the Three Sisters .... our nature reserve!!!!!

Anybody got Bill Oddies number?

Andrede

Town: butz65@blueyonder.co.uk

as it happens I do

Town: wiganer516@blueyonder.co.uk

I would like to say as Chairman of M . A . D. many thanks to every1 that turned out in Ashton to Support us even the laziest man in ashton turned out YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. :-) so far fantastic response from the public.

And yet again im sat infront of this bloody screen at stupid hours.

Town: wiganer516@blueyonder.co.uk

If only I could just get one decent nights kip, and dream of the days when I played over the 3 sisters as a kid.

< listens to Pave Paradise and Put up a Parking Lott>

Andrede ( in tears)

Town: butz65@blueyonder.co.uk

A public meeting has been arranged for the public to express their views and find out more information about the proposed 40 acre Industrial Estate to be built on green land in your area.

Please come along to:

Stubshaw Cross Labour Club

Thursday 29th June , 7.00-8.00 pm.

Andrede

Town: butz65@blueyonder.co.uk

I would like to iterate what was said at the Public Meeting last thursday:

M.A.D. has no affilliation with any political party , but we will be seeking support, guidance and any help from all local Councillors.

The ward councillors for Ashton are Ash , Carney and Tushingham.

The ward councillors for Bryn are Hodgkinson , Merry and Wilkes.

M.A.D. will be seeking support from all.

David

Town: butz65@blueyonder.co.uk

For confusions sake , I am not the David that owns this site.

Andrede

Town: butz65@blueyonder.co.uk

Close access to the M6, M62, M56, M57, A508 trunk road and at the junction of the A49 and A58.
Within half an hours drive of two international airports and within two miles of the main west coast rail line also frequent train services to Manchester and Liverpool.
Close to five Premiership football teams, three Super League teams, County Cricket team and one of the countries leading race courses.
Within forty five minutes of more professional theatre companies than the West End, two internationally renowned Symphony orchestra’s and many stately homes
Within easy drive of the Lake District, The Yorkshire Moors, The Welsh Coast and world famous Fylde Coast.
Close to two international four star hotels and numerous B&B.
A good supply of reasonable priced modern housing.
Within commuting distance of four universities including the world famous UMIST.
A local modern hospital plus numerous specialist hospitals.
An adaptable workforce.

The above is how I would sell Ashton in Makerfield, yes, and it is true! We are fortunate, but one fact is missing. Apart from the M6 with limited access we are stuck with a nineteenth century local road system, in the twenty first century. A road system designed for the horse and cart, a road system that was then supplemented by many local rail systems for freight and passenger transport. A town that for the above reasons has seen housing increase at least four fold, with the subsequent increase in money paid in community charge, yet the only capital project is Ashton Leisure Centre!!
Ashton in Makerfield retains its’ unique identity, despite the various amalgamations of local councils.

We have absorbed people from many areas of the UK and recently further afield, all have integrated into our friendly community.

BUT, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ONE TOO FAR FOR ASHTON IN MAKERFIELD!!

Alan
Sorry Dave I forgot Ashton Heath, an example of our towns community spirit.

Town: ajames46@fsmail.net

I haven't read much into this development project but from there a couple of things which I have picked up on.

First of all, Bolton Road on a weekday from about 8:30 - 9:30 and 16:30 - 18:00 has huge traffic problems. And as far as I can remember this wasn't as bad until the council introduced the traffic lights outside the Co-Op (formerly WineGro)on Bolton Road. So with the current level of traffic, and poor transport links, Bolton Road and Ashton are a nightmare during the times in which I mentioned.

Secondly, if this development goes ahead, no doubt hundreds of extra HGV class vehicals will be added to the daily congestion, and if this place is to create as many jobs as it claims to, this will increase the amounts of traffic even more.

If the government did there job for a change insted of making up stupid laws like smaller children have to have a booster seat until 12. We would find this development not happening due to the extreme increase in pollution it would cause, seeing as HGV vehicals aren't exactly the most environmentaly friendly form of transport.If members of the council actualy lived in the areas in which would be affected visualy, such as Riding Lane, were my Nan lives I'm sure we would of seen a better responce to our protest.

Daniel.

Town: danny.pie@gmail.com

The traffic certainly is the main worry for the people I have spoken to over the last few weeks and for the people of Riding Lane esate things would change drastically. This development is an insult to these people.

What right has anyone to come in and destroy their environment, the whole look and feel of their surrondings.

One big question for me , I have to say again is why do they have build it at all when there are 191 units lying empty in the Wigan area, with a total of over 1.2 milion sq.ft of floor space available ?

See the website www.ashtonmad.co.uk
Look for Empty units in Wigan for the details.

Ian

Town: ebnw32487@blueyonder.co.uk

As someone who`s house is directly facing this proposed monstrosity I have more to lose than most people and i joined M.A.D at the start.
I will fight this battle to the death....mine or it!
There are several issues arrising from this proposal and while Road Congestion is quite rightly the main issue I have taken up the environmental one because for one my view of the countryside will be taken away from me but also the ecology of the area will be destroyed.... including three ponds that have existed for well over one hundred years and may still support protected species .and near to ONE THOUSAND trees will be destroyed in the process(most of those trees on the site of the old reservoir)Thank you to anyone supporting us in whatever way you can and you can meet me at Ashton town centre on Saturday mornings 11 till 2 to learn more .....Ray

Town: rayday505@talktalk.net

There's only so much influence you can wield with a pie.

Aye lad, but a stale pie can ger as ard as a brick...an if tha aims it reet tha con do a lorr of damage

Town: rayday505@talktalk.net

Hi Ray
Wiganers don't leave Pies long enough to go stale!!!
At least if they are real Wigan Pies!!

Alan
PS
Pies should always start with a capital letter!!

Town: ajames46@fsmail.net

Hey Alan, Your worse than my wife......She always kills my jokes as well!!!

Anyway, I`m not really a Wiganer,....I`m a Stubshier born and bred......A cut above your ordinary Wiganer...

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Replying to:

Hi Ray
Wiganers don't leave Pies long enough to go stale!!!
At least if they are real Wigan Pies!!

Alan
PS
Pies should always start with a capital letter!!

Town: rayday505@talktalk.net

Hi Ray
Please accept my most sincere appologies, I must have the same trouble as your wife....................
we don't realise you are cracking jokes.

Alan

PS I promise not to continue this if you do. After all this extension is no laughing matter.

Town: ajames46@fsmail.net

Can everyone who reads this please ask their neighbours for their comment forms. Collect as many as you can and give one of us a ring and we will pick them up.

Contact details at www.ashtonmad.co.uk

Thanks
Ian

Town: ebnw32487@blueyonder.co.uk

Hi All
The planning department along with other departments have invested much time into th Unitary Development Plan. Part of that plan is the extension to The South Lancs Industrial Estate.
They must seem to be even handed and to explore all objections, it seems to this end they are currently doing a remote traffic census on Bolton Road, 30 meters approx south of Bryn Road South.
No doubt in the course of time, we will be informed that the traffic is no heavier than comparable roads.
This will be backed up by this census.

JUST ONE VERY BIG FLAW!!!!

The census was started on Tuesday 19 July, anyone will realise today, that this is the start of the school holidays plus many people were on holiday, also many motorist are stll avoiding Ashton after the recent "nightmare" of the traffic lights in Bolton Road.
In the course of time when these figures are given this will not be at the top of peoples mind.
We must not forget we are dealing with people who are experts in manipulating information to get the results they want.
Alan

Town: ajames46@fsmail.net