What is it that draws extremist, conspiracy theorising, anti-establishment nutters to this board? As a number of us have tried to point out on numerous occasions, we're not willing to support knee-jerk anti-anything whiners. We want to hear positive statements of policy.

The ID card thing doesn't make my blood boil. I happen to think that regardless of our state of "alert", they might be a ****ed fine thing. In fact I would go as far as saying I support them. There are all sorts of benefits to them. Only if you're paranoid would you show anything more than a little discomfort with the idea.

The CAP surely are meant to be locally focused. All I see is national policy complaints.

As we keep saying, tell us what you want, not what you don't.

Oh, and learn to use smilies please.

Town: andy@REMOVETHIS.yatescentral.com

Clause 1 and Schedule 1 of the Bill sets out more than fifty categories of information required for the register (subject to change by regulation):

1. Name
2. Other previous names or aliases;
3. Date and place of birth and, if the person has died, the date of death;
4. Address
5. Previous addresses in the United Kingdom and elsewhere;
6. Times of residency at different places in the United Kingdom or elsewhere;
7. Current residential status;
8. Residential statuses previously held;
9. Information about numbers allocated to the applicant for identification purposes and about the documents to which they relate;
10. Information about occasions on which recorded information in the Register has been provided to any person;
11. Information recorded in the Register on request.
12. Photograph
13. Fingerprints
14. “Other” biometrics (iris recognition);
15. Signature
16. Nationality;
17. Entitlement to remain in the United Kingdom; and
18. Where entitlement derives from a grant of leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom, the terms and conditions of that leave.
19. National Identity Registration Number;
20. The number of any ID card that has been issued;
21. National Insurance number;
22. The number of any relevant immigration document;
23. The number of any United Kingdom passport (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971 (c. 77)) that has been issued;
24. The number of any passport issued by or on behalf of the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom or by or on behalf of an international organisation;
25. The number of any document that can be used (in some or all circumstances) instead of a passport;
26. The number of any identity card issued by the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom;
27. Any reference number allocated by the Secretary of State in connection with an application made for permission to enter or to remain in the United Kingdom;
28. The number of any work permit (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971);
29. Any driver number connected to a driving licence;
30. The number of any designated document which is held by the applicant that is a document the number of which does not fall within any of the preceding sub-paragraphs;
31. The date of expiry or period of validity of a document the number of which is recorded by virtue of this paragraph.
32. The date of every application for registration;
33. The date of every application for a modification of the contents of his entry;
34. The date of every application confirming the contents of his entry (with or without changes);
35. The reason for any omission from the information recorded in his entry;
36. Particulars (in addition to its number) of every ID card issued;
37. Whether each such card is in force and, if not, why not;
38. Particulars of every person who has countersigned an application for an ID card or a designated document;
39. Particulars of every notification given by the applicant for the purposes of regulations under section 13(1) (lost, stolen and damaged ID cards etc.);
40. Particulars of every requirement by the Secretary of State for the individual to surrender an ID card issued to the applicant.
41. The information provided in connection with every application to be entered in the Register, for a modification of the contents of entry in the Register or for the issue of an ID card;
42. Information provided in connection with every application confirming entry in the Register (with or without change;
43. Particulars of the steps taken, in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b) or otherwise, for identifying the applicant or for verifying the information provided in connection with the application;
44. Particulars of any other steps taken or information obtained (otherwise than in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b)) for ensuring that there is a complete, up-to-date and accurate entry about that individual in the Register;
45. Particulars of every notification given by that individual for the purposes of section 12.
46. A personal identification number to be used for facilitating the making of applications for information recorded in his entry, and for facilitating the provision of the information;
47. A password or other code to be used for that purpose or particulars of a method of generating such a password or code;
48. Questions and answers to be used for identifying a person seeking to make such an application or to apply for or to make a modification of that entry.
49. Particulars of every occasion on which information contained in the individual’s entry has been provided to a person;
50. Particulars of every person to whom such information has been provided on such an occasion;
51. Other particulars, in relation to each such occasion, of the provision of the information.

The Bill contains no provision for Parliament to decide what information will be stored in or on the card. This will be left to the discretion of the Home Office.

Town: peter.franzen@community-action.com

I give up. I ask for positives and get negatives thrown back. Peter, if you concentrated on the job you were elected to do, rather than throw stones at the national government, I might have some respect for you. As it happens, I have none.

Town: andy@REMOVETHIS.yatescentral.com

Hi Andy
I was simply acquainting you with some of the facts so that you would be better informed although I realise that for some ignorance is bliss.
As for concentrating on the job I was elected to do I believe that my record is second to none.
Take a look at a few of our many achievements and campaigns in just one year with only two Councillors:

• Lowton/Golborne Fire Engine opposed by Labour saved by Community Action.
• Lowton Community Woodland opposed by Labour saved by Community Action.
• We continue to oppose the proposed New Labour road freight terminal at Parkside, which would put thousands more HGV’s onto our overcrowded roads.
• We continue to support the genuine community campaign for Golborne Railway Station, while New Labour use the issue for their own local election purposes.
• Lowton/Golborne grot spots cleaned up thanks to Community Action.
• Bulbs and trees planted in Lowton and Golborne thanks to Community Action.
• Development of 17th Century Golborne conservation site opposed by Community Action approved by New Labour.
• Dangerous trees felled in Edge Green Lane thanks to Community Action.
• HGV weight limit for Stonecross Lane South thanks to Community Action.
• Pedestrian crossing in Edge Green Lane cancelled by New Labour reinstated by Community Action. (Special thanks to Edna Proctor)
• Golborne market to be resurrected thanks to Community Action.
• Town centre information board for Golborne thanks to Community Action.
• Traffic calming, one-way system and on street parking in the pipeline for Golborne thanks to Community Action.
• Lowton/Golborne street lighting improvements thanks to Community Action.
• Lowton/Golborne footpaths, pavements and roads maintained/repaired/upgraded thanks to Community Action.
• We have exposed New Labour’s dirty tricks and abuse of Council facilities.
• We have opposed New Labour’s above inflation 8.9% Council tax increase to pay for government NHI stealth taxes and under funded pensions.
• We have introduced four Councillor surgeries each month to Lowton for the first time ever and also conduct surgeries every Tuesday in Golborne.

I'll update you on more recent achievements in due course.

Town: peter.franzen@community-action.com

Very good Peter. I applaud your accomplishments in Lowton and Golborne, but isn't that your brother's patch. How about Ashton and Bryn?

Town: andy@REMOVETHIS.yatescentral.com

Hi Andy
Lowton and Golborne is very much my patch although it is true to say we now have six Councillors here.

I cannot claim credit for the magnificent achievements of our six Ashton and Bryn ward Councillors although they have my full support.

Town: peter.franzen@community-action.com

What's the problem with ID cards. I have nothing to hide. I would be quite willing to have an ID card as is usual in most civilised countries now. We have to move with the times and unfortunately ID cards are part of that. If you have nothing to hide then you have no problem with ID cards.

Hi Sue
It's got nothing whatsoever to do with having anything to hide. What happens when they get your details wrong?
If you want to be more fully informed visit: www.no2id.net

Clause 1 and Schedule 1 of the Bill sets out more than fifty categories of information required for the register (subject to change by regulation):

1. Name
2. Other previous names or aliases;
3. Date and place of birth and, if the person has died, the date of death;
4. Address
5. Previous addresses in the United Kingdom and elsewhere;
6. Times of residency at different places in the United Kingdom or elsewhere;
7. Current residential status;
8. Residential statuses previously held;
9. Information about numbers allocated to the applicant for identification purposes and about the documents to which they relate;
10. Information about occasions on which recorded information in the Register has been provided to any person;
11. Information recorded in the Register on request.
12. Photograph
13. Fingerprints
14. “Other” biometrics (iris recognition);
15. Signature
16. Nationality;
17. Entitlement to remain in the United Kingdom; and
18. Where entitlement derives from a grant of leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom, the terms and conditions of that leave.
19. National Identity Registration Number;
20. The number of any ID card that has been issued;
21. National Insurance number;
22. The number of any relevant immigration document;
23. The number of any United Kingdom passport (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971 (c. 77)) that has been issued;
24. The number of any passport issued by or on behalf of the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom or by or on behalf of an international organisation;
25. The number of any document that can be used (in some or all circumstances) instead of a passport;
26. The number of any identity card issued by the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom;
27. Any reference number allocated by the Secretary of State in connection with an application made for permission to enter or to remain in the United Kingdom;
28. The number of any work permit (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971);
29. Any driver number connected to a driving licence;
30. The number of any designated document which is held by the applicant that is a document the number of which does not fall within any of the preceding sub-paragraphs;
31. The date of expiry or period of validity of a document the number of which is recorded by virtue of this paragraph.
32. The date of every application for registration;
33. The date of every application for a modification of the contents of his entry;
34. The date of every application confirming the contents of his entry (with or without changes);
35. The reason for any omission from the information recorded in his entry;
36. Particulars (in addition to its number) of every ID card issued;
37. Whether each such card is in force and, if not, why not;
38. Particulars of every person who has countersigned an application for an ID card or a designated document;
39. Particulars of every notification given by the applicant for the purposes of regulations under section 13(1) (lost, stolen and damaged ID cards etc.);
40. Particulars of every requirement by the Secretary of State for the individual to surrender an ID card issued to the applicant.
41. The information provided in connection with every application to be entered in the Register, for a modification of the contents of entry in the Register or for the issue of an ID card;
42. Information provided in connection with every application confirming entry in the Register (with or without change;
43. Particulars of the steps taken, in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b) or otherwise, for identifying the applicant or for verifying the information provided in connection with the application;
44. Particulars of any other steps taken or information obtained (otherwise than in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b)) for ensuring that there is a complete, up-to-date and accurate entry about that individual in the Register;
45. Particulars of every notification given by that individual for the purposes of section 12.
46. A personal identification number to be used for facilitating the making of applications for information recorded in his entry, and for facilitating the provision of the information;
47. A password or other code to be used for that purpose or particulars of a method of generating such a password or code;
48. Questions and answers to be used for identifying a person seeking to make such an application or to apply for or to make a modification of that entry.
49. Particulars of every occasion on which information contained in the individual’s entry has been provided to a person;
50. Particulars of every person to whom such information has been provided on such an occasion;
51. Other particulars, in relation to each such occasion, of the provision of the information.

The Bill contains no provision for Parliament to decide what information will be stored in or on the card. This will be left to the discretion of the Home Office.

Town: peter.franzen@community-action.com