we are all intersted in different things debbs.all i do is work it seems every hour ov the night and look after my mrs and kids.yes! i have kids so ov course im not and wouldnt be shooting over childrens heads thats just u or whoever really exagerating!!.i just wok go gym,and sumhowfind time to go shootin

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I don't really understand how you can derive pleasure from killing anything - but that's just me.

Town: Stubshaw

each to there own

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What about asking local farms if you can go on their land?

good idea. thanx for that

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u are a 1st class idiot

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Who's a 1st class idiot?

new to these forums n maybe replyd to wrong person. i ?think? it was debbie that started all this and named me as the idiot on ashton heath.so sorry

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and vic after i took the time to explain myself

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Debbie didn’t start this I did, and by your response I believe the original heading was correct. It would be obvious to almost everyone that Ashton Heath is an open public place with children, people with dogs, people and children on bikes etc. Anyone who walks around with a gun in hand (with the exception of a shooting club premises) is intending to kill something. There are rules of law that need to be followed by anyone who carries an air rifle in public or indeed shoots one anywhere. You say you were shooting wood pigeons, well that’s what they all say when challenged then you find other birds species dead nearby. I don’t know how many birds you shot that day on the heath, but one wood pigeon was left running round on the ground in agony whilst being chased by a dog, all because it had been shot in the wing and couldn’t fly and that’s what you call relaxing?

Yes wood pigeons are classified as "vermin" but you need a Licence to shoot them. If you kill them off-your-own-bat and are caught you will end up with several visits from Police, and hour-long interview at the local Nick and a "Caution" for first offence.
General licences have been in existence for around 15 years and cover the shooting of pest species of birds by authorised persons, which broadly means anyone shooting with the permission of the landowner or occupier.

Briefly you may shoot pigeons and other species for the protection of crops and for reasons of public health and air safety, “vermin species” may be shot by anyone who has permission from the landowner or occupier. General licences are issued by government agencies to provide a legal basis for people to carry out a range of activities relating to wildlife. By definition you do not need to apply for general licences but you are required by law to abide by their terms and conditions. You cannot just go shooting wherever the fancy takes you.

Jay, would you mind enlightening us on your choice of words “quote” “You're all just close minded people with no lives” what is close minded? As for “quote” “having no lives” again explain?

ov course i wasnt shooting over childrens heads.thats just riddiculas

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How is he an idiot? You're all just close minded people with no lives. It's completely legal, you don't need a license, and as long as you're a certain number of yards away from a public footpath then the police can't do anything because no law is being broken. And as for 'he should be sent into the army for 10 years', he's been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

Town: Ashton

Jay, "no law is being broken"?

Carrying a loaded Air-weapon in a public place 6 months imprisonment and / or £5,000 fine.

Trespassing with an air weapon 3 months imprisonment and / or £2,500 fine.

Trespassing on private land with an air weapon 3 months imprisonment and / or £2,500 fine.

Killing or injuring any bird or protected animal unless authorised £5,000 fine

Take your pick.

Town: Bryn, Ashton in Makerfield.

He wasn't trespassing, it's Ashton Heath, full of ****ty little pigeons, it's not like he's slaughtering Bald Eagles or something. And how can you not know what I mean by 'close minded' or 'having no lives'. Basically, you all just love to sit at home and complain about anything, you like to think you're better than others and you're ****ed up ego tells you that you have authority over others and you act like you have the right to tell others what to do. People like you need to get a life, stop taking everything so seriously.

Town: Ashton

Jay I know what “close minded” means, just wanted to see your explanation, and after reading it; well it was the explanation I expected need I say more?

I know yeah, it's mad how that works, you ask me for a definition, so I tell you the definition. Some ****ed up logic there.

Town: Ashton

Sorry Ian

Just seen your postings asking me to reply, well you need to appreciated that there is not just you working all the hours. I have 2 jobs and last week for a low wage (I am not as fortunate as you ) I worked well over 50 hours, so haven't had to time to look at the site.

I gather that you are stressed, my form of relaxation is walking for miles with my dogs,and I do go off track and into wooded areas, and if I saw you wandering around with a gun I would be greatly concerned.

If you want to go shooting then join a club, this isn't the wild west and I have a right to walk, in peace and relative safety without the fear of getting into a crossfire situation, pellets can do a lot of damage.

As for Wood Pigeons being classed as vermin, I probably stand alone in this view, but I believe that everything has a right to life, why does the human species think that we can control everything? We are the biggest cause of problems to our environment!

Maybe you should try other forms of relaxation because this hobby does not seem to be helping?

Town: Ashton

Can I also mention that 4 out of the 5 children that I have raised have worked to put themselves through university, and now the two youngest work 5 nights a week from 11pm through to 5am in a bar, then go to classes and they do that for the basic minimum wage.

Town: Ashton

Some of the language on here is getting out of hand and personal. I am sure the issue can be discussed without resorting to swearing or insults.

Town: Ashton

It's the Grumpy Old Man joining in.

We are unfortunate to live in the most densly populated area of the UK as a consequence our actions are going to impinge on others. Ian on your journies you must have driven through areas where you would not see anyone for miles.

You say you were in the armed forces, you must then be aware of the danger of any fire arm even something as low powered as an air rifle, I should think with the SA80 the greatest danger was to the person firing it.

Looking at this forum I have to agree one could construe maybe wrongly there is a self elected elite who pronounce on others. That doesn't mean what they say is rubbish.

Regarding the status of wood pigeons and the reaction of some posters to their right to live, People living in a true rural enviroment will certainly agree they are verminn along with many pretty furry creatures. However the same people have a respect for the life of these vermin and would ansure they did not suffer by making sure they are DEAD.

I hope I have not been patronising to either you or Jay, after all you are the future of most of the posters on this website.

Regards
Alan

Town: Br/Ash

thankyou for everything you have said as everyone is simply jumping at me. please see my goodbye post

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i would just like to point out that whilst you are complaining about people using bad language and being offensive, then do you not think its equally offensive to call someone an idiot in the first place!

Town: ashton

This is an open forum which makes it possible for children to read and to comment. Would you rather a child read someone being called an idiot or a comment being described as being ****ed up. The *'s hide nothing as they're not ignorant to what would be really typed. It's not really a matter of it being offensive to the recipient of the insult. It's a matter of certain words being offensive to everyone. Surely anyone in this day and age will not lose any sleep over being called an idiot.

Town: Mount Pleasant

"!!.ppl can say as they like there days "

No they cannot, as you will soon find out. Such poor language, grammar and literacy cannot be tolerated any longer.

Town: Mount Pleasant

Alan "Regarding the status of wood pigeons and the reaction of some posters to their right to live, People living in a true rural enviroment will certainly agree they are verminn along with many pretty furry creatures. However the same people have a respect for the life of these vermin and would ansure they did not suffer by making sure they are DEAD."

Im sure if there was a problem with the so-called "vermin" then it would be addressed properly.

Shooting birds just for fun cant be right can it?

Hi Andrede
No,as you say it can't be right, but is it wrong, equally if someone enjoys shooting, when ridding the countryside of vermin?

Historically many countryside sports, including that very emmotive one fox hunting were a long time ago encouraged to to the skills that were needed in time of war. Once again in a modern urban enviroment this is hard to understand.

Is it right that people in an urban enviroment impose yheirr views on those from a rural enviroment?

As regards the original posting and certain replies there seems, at best, to be a high degree of mischief making.

Regards
Alan

Town: Br/Ash

I see your point Alan.

However, before we as dictators of this earth start to determine which of God's creatures should be murdered, we should take each area in its context. If Wood Pigeons are happily kickin about in the woods ( and in this case they are), then why should they be considered vermin?

A friend of mine used to throw money at Wood Pigeons out of ( possibly ) an old tradition ( or ) they woke him up the afternoon. But either way Im sure he would hate to see them shot for no reason.

I think in this case we have no reason to be worrying about so called vermin ruining crops. The thread is about a gun-toting idiot that feels he can relax by killing things.

We should ask " What Would Darwin Do?"

He ate owls you know!

Andrede - "What Would Darwin Do?"

I reckon Darwin would do whatever Fishy told him to!

Town: Bryn, Ashton in Makerfield.

then im sorry to say that they need to find a better rate of pay and then they can also afford a few luxuries in life ie lessons, and a car. i will not be on the heath any more with my rifle...end of. minimum wage twits

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You obviously have issues Ian, I have my opinions and you have yours.

Alan with regard to your comments. I have lived both in the Town and in a sleepy country village, but, no matter where I have lived my feelings and respect for life and nature have stayed the same. I have no right to say that anything is vermin, like I have stated before animals are the least of the worlds problems!

Oh, by the way Alan I believe you were once friends with my Uncle when you were younger?

Town: Ashton