We humans do share one thing in common with robots and that is causality. Everything we do, and every choice we make is the product of a cause. It is absolutely impossible to choose what we do not prefer. The fact that we choose it demonstrates that we prefer it.

We had a professor in Bible school that frequently said, "Knowledge is not knowing everything. Knowledge is knowing where you can find what you need to know when you need to know it."

I am actively posting on many forums every day because I am trying to reach as many people as possible with the information that enabled me, and many other people, to recover from a nervous breakdown.

Because I am trying to reach as many people as possible I don't take the time to answer individual questions about the Bible but instead direct people to where they can find the answer.

Consequently I would like to say to any visitor to this forum who is inclined to be influenced by the writings of teachers of eternal suffering, and who is at the same time suffering from their inability to successfully cope with the idea that the Bible teaches eternal suffering for anyone; I would just like them to know this. I'm 68, and I have spent most of my life studying both sides of this argument. I have heard every argument that has ever been conceived to support the idea that the Bible teaches eternal suffering for anyone. All of them have been refuted many times over using biblical evidence in many books, on hundreds of recorded tapes, and on the internet.

Two of the best sources on the internet are TENTMAKER and THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE by Dr Loyal Hurley.

Just type a key word or phrase from any argument or passage of scripture into the search engine at the top of TENTMAKER'S front page and ten articles will appear that scripturally refute the eternal hell doctrine. Then click to the next page and ten more articles will appear, and so on and so on for thousands of pages.
You can Google it up. TENTMAKER is always number one on Google’s tentmaker list.

Dr. Hurley's writing also scripturally covers every aspect of the argument. You can also Google it up by title.

IMHO to not allow links on forums (like many do) that prove that the administrator and the managers are wrong about their beliefs just convinces me that they are afraid to examine the evidence because their denominational teachers have them under their control by fear. They simply don’t know any better.

I post on forums to help the members and the surfers to know that there is irrefutable proof that God is not like the fundamentalist Christians say that a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches He is. But I realize that if it's not the strongest influence in your life to search it out for yourself you simply will not do it. I have found that many people do not want punishment to be limited in duration. I wish I knew how to change that attitude but I don't.

Know this everyone: Just because you don't know an answer to an argument doesn't mean there isn't one.

It takes a long time to unlearn all of the arguments that eternal-hell denominations teach in support of endless suffering in hell. But I am a living testimony that it can be done.

Through the power in the blood of Christ's cross He is going to eventually save everyone.
Believe it. Rejoice in it because it’s true.

From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada
"That God may be All in all" 1Cor.15:28
http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/

Quote: "Because I am trying to reach as many people as possible I don't take the time to answer individual questions about the Bible but instead direct people to where they can find the answer."

Hello Rodger:

Because you do not wish to take the time to answer individual questions about the Bible, but instead choose to direct people to where they can find the answer-generally alternative sources-I find your belief to be corrupt.

When asked, you have to be able to discuss from a biblical standpoint your asserted view. I find that this view does not hold up scripturally.

I understand your ferver. I do not believe in having alternative sources as my foundation for my faith.

I've survived spiritual warfare, so I can relate to having a nervous breakdown and maintained the Bible to be my foundation. You cannot simply dismiss what it is you find upsetting and overwhelming to you. The Lord would wish you to come to terms with the Bible and what it teaches.

Quote: "Through the power in the blood of Christ's cross He is going to eventually save everyone.
Believe it. Rejoice in it because it’s true."

I would like to believe this statement. Satan however is made up of some profoundly evil individuals, and they actively reject Christ. If Christ were to eventually save everyone it could take an eternity just as far as Satan is concerned. His pride will not allow him to accept Christ, and wishes to do things on his own terms not the Lord's.

I've decided to block your address from posting any additional posts. I've decided this due to the fact that I find your belief to be corrupt, and that you wish more to post form posts-not wanting to fully discuss ideas. I noticed that you have largely ignored Gary and his attempts to discuss this view you are presenting. I feel that this has reached the end of it's discussion.

I will pray for you, and that the Lord will lead you to see the errors in your belief system. I pray that he will lead you to see the truth.

Many Blessings,
Assuredly in faith,
Parson Marguerite Earhart

Mr Rodger Tutt, the universalist is more concerned with converting someone to "truth of universalism." In so doing, he endanger the souls of all who he contacts.
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We are told in the Bible to confess with our mouth to God our faith in the Lord Jesus. This means to pray to God.

Romans 10:9 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.

You can have everlasting life with God only by your faith in Jesus Christ. His death on the cross removed forever all your sins, and believing in His resurrection from the dead will give you everlasting life with Him. God knows your heart. But you can talk to God. Tell Him that you believe and trust in what Jesus Christ has done for you. Pray to God from your heart.

Dear God,

I know that I have done many sinful deeds. I know that no one can be justified before You by keeping commandments or doing good works because no one can be perfect. I believe that You came to Earth as a man, Jesus Christ. I believe Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the whole world when He was crucified and physically died on a cruel cross at Calvary. I believe Jesus Christ was buried. I believe in my heart that on the third day You, God, physically raised Jesus bodily from the dead. I believe Jesus ascended to Heaven and sat down at Your right hand where He reigns as my Advocate.

I believe that You, God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God. I thank Jesus for taking away my sins forever. I believe Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I believe You will send the Holy Spirit to live within me. I believe I am born again in the Spirit and will now have eternal life with You. Thank You, God, for forgiving me and giving me everlasting life.

In the name of Jesus Christ I pray, Amen.

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